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Yesterday I had the rare pleasure of seeing [livejournal.com profile] pvcdiva and [livejournal.com profile] psychonomy: the Diva was in town for the weekend, so we "collected" a few Tube stations for her [livejournal.com profile] tubewhore project before heading off to meet [livejournal.com profile] fracture242 and her partner (who isn't on LJ, and I don't know how he feels about his name being taken in vain online, so I'll just call him "S.")

The five of us descended on the Museum of London like wolves on the fold. We played the "if you could take home only one object, what would it be" game: Fracture and the Diva strode purposefully off towards the shiny objects, discussing fashion as they went, while S and I enjoyed a more leisurely wander through the Bronze Age artifacts. We found a swordblade that had clearly seen some use-- S pointed out the notches on its edge, and discoursed learnedly of the merits of bronze versus iron blades. When we caught up with the others (somewhere around the Great Fire) they had already chosen their take-home items: a well-wrought chest had caught the Diva's fancy, while Fracture's eye had lighted on a Tudor bedroom, preserved in its entirety: wooden panelled walls with elaborate carved decoration, a fireplace and a glorious curtained four-poster bed: "I'd change the upholstery to a very dark blood-red, but that's the only change I'd make." Nearby, I stopped dead in front of a Delft plate, white, with blue lettering reading YOU AND I ARE BUT EARTH. "It's true, then," I thought, resisting the urge to look over my shoulder. "Neal Stephenson is everywhere."

Midway through the sixteenth century, the Diva and Psychonomy had to dash off to Paddington. The remaining three of us eventually found our way out through Roman and Anglo-Saxon London, and the gift shop. Oh, the gift shop. They didn't have Tudor four-poster beds in there, but they had just about everything else.

So yesterday was a good day, featuring good friends, cool things learned, a museum I hadn't been to before and a good lunch. Seeing Fracture and S was not only lovely in itself, but an important first step in my New Mission: To See The Excellent People That I Only Ever See At Whitby More Often. Hurrah!

Oh, and on the way home I petted a spaniel puppy. Definitely a good day.

The only sad thing about yesterday: the Diva, while discussing her Tubewhore project, mentioned our plans to go and be pirates on the Cutty Sark when [livejournal.com profile] speedlime comes over in October. Sadly, it'll have to wait: I woke today to the news that that gallant ship has been damaged by fire. A shame.

on 2007-05-21 04:35 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] psychonomy.livejournal.com
Not just damaged, I fear, but effectively destroyed. There's been some stuff in the meeja about how much of it - the mast and half the planking, for instance - was away for restoration, and some about how the damage looks worse than it is. But it does look pretty damn appalling, and for once I find myself siding with the sturm und drang commentators screeching about nautical annihilation.

Given proper funding, they'll probably have a decent reconstruction, incorporating features of the original, at some point. But I think calling it the original might be a bit of a strech. I'd love to be proved wrong, of course.

on 2007-05-21 04:53 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com
It's pretty grim, isn't it? From what I've heard, the decks have mostly gone, and the hope is that they can save the hull.

A pleasure to see you yesterday! You were a total hero to go and do the bag-dropping thing. Hope to see you again soon (so I can give back your video camera, among other reasons.)

on 2007-05-21 05:43 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pvcdiva.livejournal.com
I too was very upset to hear our Green Witch project will be sadly diminished. I only found out at lunch and though of us staring at the tube map and deciding not to do the Cutty Sark with out the magnificence of the Speedlime in attendance. How dreadful...

I only wish we'd had longer, and I left that machine foot in my bag but B has it with him in London...

And I missed the gift shop. I love Museum gift shops...

on 2007-05-21 08:05 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com
You'd have loved this one a little too much, I think-- they had so many books on fashion history, including three (THREE!) of Jean Hunnisett's. I practically imploded.

on 2007-05-21 08:18 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] tubewhore.livejournal.com
eep eep eepp....maybe after next pay day I could just siddle on past...we haven't seen the fashiony bits in the museum yet either. We should certainly go back when the Stuart and Victorian Galleries reopen

on 2007-05-21 07:41 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
It was such an excellent day - thank you both so much for putting up with us!

on 2007-05-21 08:10 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com
It was indeed lovely-- no "putting up with" involved! It was a joy to see you and S, and I hope we can meet again soon.

on 2007-05-21 09:22 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] tubewhore.livejournal.com
I was only sad to have to disappear so quickly after meeting up. (This is Sue logged in via other journal). You must have a good think about which EDM painting you'd like to work from for East Putney...

...oh, and I'm next back on June 25th, which is the weekend of the next Invocation, I notice! Hurrah for neat timing!

on 2007-05-21 10:16 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com
thought it was the 15th you were back?

on 2007-05-22 07:09 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] tubewhore.livejournal.com
It is, you're right...typo!

on 2007-05-23 01:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
You're going to hate me, but I'm having naughty thoughts...

I've looked through the book I have which has all the EDM paintings, and the clothing is really just fabric loosely pinned rather than actual 'dresses' as such, so I'm wondering if maybe we should stick to the pre-raphaelite idea and just switch painters and tube stations. For example, we can maybe try Waterhouse - there are a number of appropriate tubes for it and I'm sure one might still be available. For example:

South Kensington (he was born in Rome but his family moved to South Kensington when he was 5.) I think, however, you said that station was already taken because of its proximity to the Victoria and Albert Museum.

St John's Wood (he taught at the St. John's Wood Art School and was a member of the St John's Wood Arts Club.)

Kensal Green (he is buried in Kensal Green Cemetery.)

Or, failing those, any of the tubes near art galleries where his paintings are kept. What do you think?





Waterhouse

on 2007-05-23 02:40 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pvcdiva.livejournal.com
I have long harboured secret plans to make some dresses based on Waterhouse paintings. It was only a few weekends ago (the weekend I did a quick shoot up in the woods behind the house of my Victoriana) that I dragged out my Waterhouse monograph and mooned over the beautiful, soft colours...so, yes, absolutely fine with changing artists.

We could plan a combination projects with you chosing a stable of artists work for a series of photographs with appropriate costuming - I'm certainly one for wild ambition.

For South Ken I've already decided to use the Natural History museum as the basis for some pieces, but Kensal Green is as yet untaken and uncollected. Am hoping to go to the open day in early July. St John's Wood has been collected but no piece of art has yet been produced for it, so that's a good choice as I'm sure Kensal Green Cemetery will throw up thousands of ideas on its own.

Did you have a specific painting in mind?

Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-23 04:00 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pvcdiva.livejournal.com
right, have just had a very nice muse through the monograph, and some of the early stuff was the same pinned chiton rectangle familiar from Alma Tadema and EDM, but later stuff gets more medieval in style.

Looking closely, it's all basically the same dress: high, what we would call 'empire line' waist, low boat neck, laced front, with variations of hanging sleeves and fitted underdress. All in all, a perfect excuse to go buy Norah Waugh's 'The Cut of Women's Clothes' which I've had a hankering after for simply ages...

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-26 12:16 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
Ack! It's the hardest decision to be made ever! There are the white dresses with gold trim used for the two The Lady of Shalott paintings, and the gold and white one used for one of the Ophelia paintings...but then all the Ophelia dresses are stunning - the gold and white dress in Ophelia 1894, the white dress in Ophelia 1889, and the blue & gold dress with red underslip in Ophelia 1910 (which is similar to Fair Rosamund actually...)

But most loved of all is the red dress in The Crystal Ball. I could easily point out 10 dresses that I would love to have, but if I had to choose one I know it would be the The Crystal Ball dress.

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-27 11:45 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pvcdiva.livejournal.com
I was thinking about the 1910 Ophelia and The Crystal Ball dresses. Most of them are a very similar cut, so once we have a pattern sorted out making multiples shouldn't be too difficult. What I like about them is they all have interesting detailing that's clearly painted on - by the way the fabric drapes you can see it's paint in Ophelia - and embellished with embroidery and jewels as in TCB. TCB looks to me like silk velvet, whereas Ophelia/1910 is a shot lavender taffeta with painted hems and a silk underdress, but essentially they are the same garment with different embellishments.


Meanwhile The Magic Circle has a whole battle scene across it, like something taken from a Greek vase - this of course has fantastic poetic ramifications as well a) justification (if such was needed) to go sketching in the BM for source images and b) a marvellous excuse to have fun with silk and paint.

I bought a book on indigo dyeing yesterday. I've done shibori and indigo dyeing just the once, but some combinations of the effects you can get, using silk rather than cotton would make up beautifully for something like Circe Invidiosa which of course goes back to the draped chiton of EDM...

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-28 09:57 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
Two dresses? Really? Either you're an angel sent to reward me for a lifetime of good clothing behaviour, or the devil come to take my soul! either way, I love you!!!

As regards painting on fabric, did you by any chance see Antony and Cleopatra at The Globe last season? In the war scenes Francis Barber (Cleopatra) wears an absolutely breathtaking deep burgundy velvet gown with gold detail painted on at the hem and sleeves. I have a tiny picture, but it doesn't do much justice to how stunning the dress was:



But you must give me your email address so that we can talk more - I feel so bad taking over poor Liza's lj like this lol!

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-28 09:58 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
Whoops! That link didn't work very well...if you give me your email address I'll send you the picture!

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-28 10:30 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] tubewhore.livejournal.com
my email is sbamford AT uwclub DOTnet...

Well, as with anything custom-made, the biggest hurdle is getting the pattern right. After that it can be recreated and adjusted ad infinitum...

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-28 05:04 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
I'll send an email now...

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-28 10:32 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] pvcdiva.livejournal.com
bugger this was me in my alter ego...

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-28 12:24 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com
Actually, it's kind of fun to follow the clothing chat. Discussions about fashion are most emphatically welcomed here in my corner of the Web! I look forward to seeing what all this leads to.

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-28 05:05 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
Lol! I'm glad you don't mind - I think Sue and I got a little carried away!

Re: Waterhouse II

on 2007-05-26 12:18 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] fracture242.livejournal.com
And yes - buy the book! You know you want to...

on 2007-05-22 08:42 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] wyte-phantom.livejournal.com
I love that bed too, but I think it is possibly trumped by the four poster bath to be found at Knebworth House.

on 2007-05-22 09:55 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com
Four poster bath???? **boggles**

...I also secretly prefer the Great Bed of Ware, namechecked by Shakespeare and found in the V&A.

on 2007-05-22 10:08 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] wyte-phantom.livejournal.com
That was my reaction too!
The great bed of Ware is lovely - Ware coincidently is the town next to the one in which I grew up!

on 2007-05-22 01:12 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] artnouveauho.livejournal.com
...well, then I guess the bed is technically yours by right. I shall be conducting a midnight ninja-style raid on the V&A to restore it to you. I'll need a very big truck...

on 2007-05-23 06:35 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] wyte-phantom.livejournal.com
Well, I will let you have it on laon as long as you pick me up some other bits and pieces whaile you are there *wanders off to compile a list*

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